10TB HGST/WD SAS12 for ~$90ea (bulk buy of 5)

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Wendell was right. He warned us 4 weeks ago that HDD prices are going to skyrocket.

And they did. I was about to buy a bulk of 16TB drives for $150 and 10TB for $85. But now they are $230 and $130+, respectfully. Thats an increase of over 50% in 3 weeks!

Trust me, this is one of the last "great deals" on 10TB out there. Everyone else are 40-60% more.

 
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i just got some new drives from WD using business account and they will probably be my last drives for a while. Im also keeping my old 8TB drives that have 8-9 year poh just because i dont expect prices to drop anytime soon.
 
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I'm actually surprised those drives are only 6 years old (per the picture). The model though (HUH721010) is older.

But yeah the used market is worse than a year ago for sure. I'm glad (?) i bought too much storage last year so now I have an excess.
 

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I think the best option today is to just buy these refurbished 20+ TB hard drives from a reputable seller. I've bought a lot of hard drives the last 2 years. Old hard drives, especially 10TB-16TB, that are sold on Ebay are often really bad. 10% is dead on arrival, another 30% has severe errors that makes them useless for any production workload(badblock takes 20-50% longer time cause of bad blocks that the drive spend seconds to read). Ebay sellers have no clue about the hard drive health for the hard drives they sell.

Considering how much I buy from Ebay. Hard drives is a crap shot by far. No other product, motherboard/memory/ssd/nic is even close to this error rate.
 

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Crazy to see nearly $10/TB used as a 'great deal' now when $5.625/TB used to be. :( There's deals on new sata that are just over the $10/TB and new retail can be just shy of $15/TB for the enterprise variety when the pricing is good, for some comparison.

Part of me thinks that it can't be just pure supply and demand making this much price fluctuation as there are nation states that benefit/get hurt from price swings one way or the other. Then there's also a part of me that thinks that hard drives have become such a commodity that they're no different than pork bellies and there's probably a futures market for it too that's not officially recognized. Whatever is going on, I'm not too happy because I did like the $2-3/TB that smaller 3/4/6TB used drives were going for and now all those are well north of $6/TB. :( This almost feels exactly like the covid era price increase on 32GB DDR3 RDIMMs that were <$24/ea and then skyrocketed to nearly $50/ea for 2x years.
 

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There is insane demand for storage these days because that many more businesses discover that collecting a huge amount of data is beneficial for creation of training data for machine learning. There are also many new companies related to Robotics, and one robot alone can generate 1TB of data per hour. Traditional industries are working on the Industry 4.0 Revolution which means collecting a huge amount of data, for more analytics, hidden insights discovery, and more autonomous systems. 10 years ago, many were still using spreadsheets for this.
 

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There is insane demand for storage these days because that many more businesses discover that collecting a huge amount of data is beneficial for creation of training data for machine learning. There are also many new companies related to Robotics, and one robot alone can generate 1TB of data per hour. Traditional industries are working on the Industry 4.0 Revolution which means collecting a huge amount of data, for more analytics, hidden insights discovery, and more autonomous systems. 10 years ago, many were still using spreadsheets for this.
Still, I find it hard to believe that the entire dump of 8/10/12 used drives we saw are now dead and needing to be replaced in under 2 years. Good hard drives like those last even after the 5/6yr mark. And with ssd use reducing demand for hard drives, I would expect no one wants hard drives so demand drop with same supply would give us a steadily declining price versus this.
 

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That's nuts! I'm still finding DDR4 <3200 for $1/GB or under, and once in a while see 64GB modules or under $1/GB. Of course this was a month ago, so maybe things have wildly changed. o_O
 
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Yet another thing to blame on this 'AI' bubble.
Companies are buying things they don't need, because some 'bro convinces an exec that it is the next big thing and they had BETTER be on-board or they will be irrelevant by next year.

The craziest thing is that much of these purchases are supposed to cut costs, yet do nothing but cost money.
Even if you don't care about all the jobs this is wrecking or the customer-service nightmare it is causing, the simple fact that the ROI is negative should be the clearest indicator that this is all just empty promises. But people are wandering between starry-eyed and panicking and/or just willfully ignoring how dumb it all is.

I feel like I spend half my time trying to explain to people why their business SHOULDN'T be trying to integrate 'AI' into their workflow.

"Sir your business buys office supplies and delivers them locally. Your wife does the office work, you have two truck drivers, and another 2 guys that lift boxes all day. There is literally nothing 'AI' can even do for your business but cost you money. I don't care what your nephew or your neighbor say."

"Yes sir you COULD buy an automated forklift, but it would take a decade to recoup the cost compared to just paying your employee, and maintenance costs are unknown."

"Sir. I have no idea what an 'AI' cupcake would even be..."
 

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I feel like I spend half my time trying to explain to people why their business SHOULDN'T be trying to integrate 'AI' into their workflow.
I was part of the "Big 4 consulting" before I spun out on my own, and here's the thing. We knew they don't need it and they shouldn't be trying to do it.

Yet...this is how business works. We did not say what we wanted to say, but said what they wanted to hear, always with a few caveats (CYA type of stuff). They'll spend money on new stuff they don't understand, paid us for telling them to buy it, and then will pay us for teaching them how to use it. Even if it doesn't produce any tangible results.

If things go wrong...we can always say...you know..we did kinda tell you, that there were risks...

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We did not say what we wanted to say, but said what they wanted to hear...
Then you did your clients a disservice.
They can look elsewhere if they want a yes-man.

If a client hires me, I tell them what they NEED to hear. I don't give a shit what they WANT to hear.
Do some people dislike that? Yes. Absolutely. That is THEIR problem.
Have I lost clients over it? Yes. But less than you might think, and those would have been AWFUL clients in the long run anyway.

I have even occasionally been less than diplomatic about it too.
Now, CURRENT me is way more chill and PROBABLY wouldn't have evicted an officer from a conference call...

We can have a whole separate conversation about the value of telling someone "no", and how it needs to be done waaaaaaay more often, especially to C-Suite. I have a suspicion that these morons are so out of touch with reality, because people coddle them so much that they never get to SEE reality.

Anyway, My clients are all word-of-mouth and I have never hurt for work (when I was able to do it full-time).
The opposite is normally true.
And I hate to have to turn people away anyway.

Note: As cynical and jerkish as I can be, I'm still the anti-used-car-salesman I have been since my first job.
I will HAPPILY talk a client out of a high-ticket item that would net me a fat commission when I know there is something else that does a better job at meeting their needs, even if it's 1/3 of the price.
It ALWAYS drove my bosses nuts.
Then again, I usually had people literally lining up for me so my numbers were always great.
(God I hated sales...)
 

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@Prophes0r - I hear you, but the reality still stands. You don’t run multi-tens of billion business, by … simply speaking your mind.

That may work for a lone wolf and “small” clients, but we typically were advisors to F500, govts, 3 letter agencies (you don’t even know about) and the like.

Diplomacy is a way of life, when you travel in those circles.
 
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We all claim to take the high road, even if in reality, we take the low road. At the end of the day, he who makes the most money wins. Right and wrong be damned.
 

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You don’t run multi-tens of billion business...
Right. And since those businesses are the problem, I see no error.

Not all my clients were small.
The one where I kicked the executive offer off a call is publicly traded and has hundreds(thousands?) of employees and international branches.
I also prefer to work in a team. Logistics and support are wonderful things.

It was the same when I was in the military.
I have told a 3-star general to his face that he doesn't understand the problem he is trying to solve, and what he wants us to do makes him look incompetent. I would obviously still DO what he asked, but there were things we could be doing right now that would fix the issue while making him look good.
I got a verbal reprimand from my suporvisor for that one. I had way less... tact when I was an E-4.
I also got a semi-official spot as the general's "technical aide"(since that position doesn't exist. But generals do what they want), two medals of merit, a letter of thanks from a congressional committee for that project and the follow-up(or maybe an award? I was deployed at the time...), and got a handful of phone calls for "advice" from the general after I transferred to a different base.[1]

It has also worked just fine for the 3-letter agencies I have worked with/for.

In fact, one of the most important things I learned while in DoD work is that "No" is a perfectly valid answer, but you had better follow it up with either "...but I will find out" if it's something you don't know, or "...but I can do X instead which will make you look better."

A GOOD leader always listens to their subordinates outside of an emergency.

The only way to deal with a bad leader is to insulate yourself and others from them. Coddling them serves no one.

We all claim to take the high road, even if in reality, we take the low road. At the end of the day, he who makes the most money wins. Right and wrong be damned.
Nahh. That's just the lies they tell you(and themselves) to justify their actions.
You don't need money to buy happiness if you are already happy with your own actions.

The high road has such beautiful views.
Why fight it out in the mud just to pay for a nice helicopter ride every once in a while?

Don't get me wrong.
I would kill to survive. I'm aware of exactly how far I will go when required(unfortunately...).
But once you have enough money for food, shelter, and self-improvement, anything else is just a number.
It's just not worth it.

Call it The High Road, or even self-righteous stubbornness if you like.
But I can honestly say I understand my own "price"(which everyone has), and I know that there are things I won't do unless forced to, no matter how many zeros are on the check.

[1] Refusing to play politics when it got in the way of or directly opposed my job did eventually tarnish my career though.
Though I won't take the whole blame for that one. My final base had a totally deserved reputation of ruining careers.
It had something like 0.5% of the re-enlistments of any other base.
It was an unholy crab-bucket of politics and backstabbing as people did what they could to escape it's black-hole like pull.
*shrug It is what it is. I'll take my own integrity any day.
 
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Well, shucks. I was the leader…a partner… :)
Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards getting help.

=)

Edit: That wasn't sarcasm. Only a little snark.
Disliking doing shitty things is something that needs cultivation.
We all start off as greedy little goblins. It is quite literally our nature.
 
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I was part of the "Big 4 consulting" before I spun out on my own, and here's the thing. We knew they don't need it and they shouldn't be trying to do it.

Yet...this is how business works. We did not say what we wanted to say, but said what they wanted to hear, always with a few caveats (CYA type of stuff). They'll spend money on new stuff they don't understand, paid us for telling them to buy it, and then will pay us for teaching them how to use it. Even if it doesn't produce any tangible results.

If things go wrong...we can always say...you know..we did kinda tell you, that there were risks...

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Fools and their money. Sad that whole companies and industries are built to prey on this...
 
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Integrity has become unobtainium in today's world so when you find it, grab it and hold on tight--it's worth more than all the gold you can get.
 
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