10G Router CWWK/Topton/Qotom and further

[Tizian_M]

do you have concrete W numbers please ?

As stated, easy google search, but there you go.

Attached Screenshots from official datasheets for x710 and also x520. Please compare the Dual Port Variant, first line.

 

[bugacha]

Yeah, and the Intel 82599ES aka Intel x520 (which is included in most Chinese 10G units) is PCIe 2.0. Weakest link that counts...

you still get 16gbps with 4 lanes of pcie 2, not ideal but thats a lot already

 

[bugacha]

As stated, easy google search, but there you go.

Attached Screenshots from official datasheets for x710 and also x520. Please compare the Dual Port Variant, first line.

I'm not sure whats that ?

Do you have comparisons vs non Intel cards ? Say Mellanox ConnectX 3 or 4 Lx ?

You talked about ASPM a lot, do you have W numbers with or without it being enabled ?

 

[joeribl]

I'm not sure whats that ?

Do you have comparisons vs non Intel cards ? Say Mellanox ConnectX 3 or 4 Lx ?

You talked about ASPM a lot, do you have W numbers with or without it being enabled ?

X710 is 4.3W dual port SR. X520 is 10W. Only X710 plays nice with ASPM, the other cards don't (X520, ConnectX 3& 4)

 

[sjt]

Do we have actual power consumptions available for 2 port X520 mini pc with N355 CPU and 4 port X710 mini pc with Intel Pentium Gold 8505 when only two 10G ports are in use? It would be nice to compare these in 10Gbit routing for consumption and performance.
Price difference is anyway ~150€ which is quite a lot.

Im currently comparing these either Topton or CWWK versions:

Topton 2x10G SFP+ Firewall Mini PC Intel 3 N355 N305 N150 N100 2xi226-V 2.5G 2xNVMe 2xHD DDR5 NAS Home Server pfSense Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel

Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: X4H-XL Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: N100/N150/N305/N355

www.toptonpc.com

Topton New Firewall Mini PC 4* 2*10G SFP+ Intel i7 13620H 8505 4xi226-V 2.5G 2*DDR5 NVMe Industrial Computer Home Server Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel

Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: H14 Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: i7-13620H/i5-13420H/Pentium

www.toptonpc.com

Or do we have better options in price range 300-400€?

 

[bugacha]

Do we have actual power consumptions available for 2 port X520 mini pc with N355 CPU and 4 port X710 mini pc with Intel Pentium Gold 8505 when only two 10G ports are in use? It would be nice to compare these in 10Gbit routing for consumption and performance.
Price difference is anyway ~150€ which is quite a lot.

Im currently comparing these either Topton or CWWK versions:

Topton 2x10G SFP+ Firewall Mini PC Intel 3 N355 N305 N150 N100 2xi226-V 2.5G 2xNVMe 2xHD DDR5 NAS Home Server pfSense Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel

Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: X4H-XL Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: N100/N150/N305/N355

www.toptonpc.com

Topton New Firewall Mini PC 4* 2*10G SFP+ Intel i7 13620H 8505 4xi226-V 2.5G 2*DDR5 NVMe Industrial Computer Home Server Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel

Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: H14 Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: i7-13620H/i5-13420H/Pentium

www.toptonpc.com

Or do we have better options in price range 300-400€?

n305 is still one of the best and cheapest CPUs for that

 

[sjt]

Yes i understand too that is good cpu for 10G but i'm just wondering whether there is power consumptions available to compare difference between these two setups since we know X710 consumes less power than X520 and propably N355 less than Pentium Gold 8505.
So what would be real world consuption and is there actually difference that matters?

 

[athurdent]

Yes i understand too that is good cpu for 10G but i'm just wondering whether there is power consumptions available to compare difference between these two setups since we know X710 consumes less power than X520 and propably N355 less than Pentium Gold 8505.
So what would be real world consuption and is there actually difference that matters?

I recently got this one:
Topton i7-13620H 2x10G SFP 10G SFP 4x2.5G Nics ( PcZinophyte 13th Gen Solid Firewall PC Core i7-13620H 2x10G SFP 10G SFP 4x2.5G Nics 2*DDR5 5G SIM Industrie Mini PC Computer Server: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ).
Put in 64GB Crucial and a 2TB WD Red NVMe.
Proxmox with 4x Ubuntu 24.04 (Zabbix/2x Zabbix Proxy/UniFi Network Application Server) / 1x HAOS VM and 1x OPNsense with Zenarmor:
Around 40 Watts.

Turning off OPNsense, around 30 watts.
Measured with one of those IKEA plugs, I cannot type that name.

 

[solawind]

Do you guys have experience with Qotom Q30900SE ? interface-wise it looks perfect fr me, but there is no n100 cpu option and i am wondering if i3 10110U really suitable for such a fanless case?



Qotom Multi LAN Router PC Q30900SE JL82599ES SFP+ 5405U i3 10110U 2.5G

 

[sjt]

There is also coming model Q10900U6 which seems to be perfect, except that i would like to see Intel X550 or some other energy efficient 10G NIC, not X540. I'm waiting for pricing, i got response that they will sen email when it is available to order.

Mini PC Q10900U6 S13 Series-Mini PC Series-Qotom Mini PC

Mini PC with N100/N305 CPU, dual 2.5G, dual 10G RJ45, and dual 10G SFP+ ports. Ideal for high-speed routing, firewall, and network server applications.

qotom.net

 

[blunden]

There is also coming model Q10900U6 which seems to be perfect, except that i would like to see Intel X550 or some other energy efficient 10G NIC, not X540. I'm waiting for pricing, i got response that they will sen email when it is available to order.

Mini PC Q10900U6 S13 Series-Mini PC Series-Qotom Mini PC

Mini PC with N100/N305 CPU, dual 2.5G, dual 10G RJ45, and dual 10G SFP+ ports. Ideal for high-speed routing, firewall, and network server applications.

qotom.net

The one with dual X710 SFP+ interface is interesting. I already bought the one with dual Aquantia NICs a couple of months ago though, when an SFP+ version wasn't available.

If you want energy efficient 10GBASE-T, Intel isn't really your best bet.

 

[sjt]

That dual Aquantia could be option for me too but i would like to run Opnsense and i understood there is not yet driver available so that is problem. For energy efficiency that might be best option so far.

 

[blunden]

That dual Aquantia could be option for me too but i would like to run Opnsense and i understood there is not yet driver available so that is problem. For energy efficiency that might be best option so far.

Yeah, FreeBSD has subpar NIC driver support, so an Intel NIC is a better option in that case.