As stated, easy google search, but there you go.
Attached Screenshots from official datasheets for x710 and also x520. Please compare the Dual Port Variant, first line.
10G Router CWWK/Topton/Qotom and further
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Attached Screenshots from official datasheets for x710 and also x520. Please compare the Dual Port Variant, first line.
you still get 16gbps with 4 lanes of pcie 2, not ideal but thats a lot already
I'm not sure whats that ?
Do you have comparisons vs non Intel cards ? Say Mellanox ConnectX 3 or 4 Lx ?
You talked about ASPM a lot, do you have W numbers with or without it being enabled ?
X710 is 4.3W dual port SR. X520 is 10W. Only X710 plays nice with ASPM, the other cards don't (X520, ConnectX 3& 4)
Do we have actual power consumptions available for 2 port X520 mini pc with N355 CPU and 4 port X710 mini pc with Intel Pentium Gold 8505 when only two 10G ports are in use? It would be nice to compare these in 10Gbit routing for consumption and performance.
Price difference is anyway ~150€ which is quite a lot.
Im currently comparing these either Topton or CWWK versions:
www.toptonpc.com
www.toptonpc.com
Or do we have better options in price range 300-400€?
Price difference is anyway ~150€ which is quite a lot.
Im currently comparing these either Topton or CWWK versions:
Topton 2x10G SFP+ Firewall Mini PC Intel 3 N355 N305 N150 N100 2xi226-V 2.5G 2xNVMe 2xHD DDR5 NAS Home Server pfSense Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel
Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: X4H-XL Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: N100/N150/N305/N355
www.toptonpc.com
Topton New Firewall Mini PC 4* 2*10G SFP+ Intel i7 13620H 8505 4xi226-V 2.5G 2*DDR5 NVMe Industrial Computer Home Server Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel
Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: H14 Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: i7-13620H/i5-13420H/Pentium
www.toptonpc.com
Or do we have better options in price range 300-400€?
n305 is still one of the best and cheapest CPUs for thatDo we have actual power consumptions available for 2 port X520 mini pc with N355 CPU and 4 port X710 mini pc with Intel Pentium Gold 8505 when only two 10G ports are in use? It would be nice to compare these in 10Gbit routing for consumption and performance.
Price difference is anyway ~150€ which is quite a lot.
Im currently comparing these either Topton or CWWK versions:
Topton 2x10G SFP+ Firewall Mini PC Intel 3 N355 N305 N150 N100 2xi226-V 2.5G 2xNVMe 2xHD DDR5 NAS Home Server pfSense Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel
Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: X4H-XL Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: N100/N150/N305/N355Topton New Firewall Mini PC 4* 2*10G SFP+ Intel i7 13620H 8505 4xi226-V 2.5G 2*DDR5 NVMe Industrial Computer Home Server Proxmox - Office_Mini-PC Industrial_Mini-PC Gaming_Mini_PC Laptops Stick_PC_Pocket_PC Industrial_Tablet/Panel
Hign-concerned Chemical: None Processor Main Frequency: Depends on CPU Use: Commercial Memory Capacity: ≥ 4GB Hard Drive Capacity: 1TB Model Number: H14 Processor Brand: Intel Processor Model: i7-13620H/i5-13420H/Pentium
Or do we have better options in price range 300-400€?
Yes i understand too that is good cpu for 10G but i'm just wondering whether there is power consumptions available to compare difference between these two setups since we know X710 consumes less power than X520 and propably N355 less than Pentium Gold 8505.
So what would be real world consuption and is there actually difference that matters?
So what would be real world consuption and is there actually difference that matters?
I recently got this one:
Topton i7-13620H 2x10G SFP 10G SFP 4x2.5G Nics ( PcZinophyte 13th Gen Solid Firewall PC Core i7-13620H 2x10G SFP 10G SFP 4x2.5G Nics 2*DDR5 5G SIM Industrie Mini PC Computer Server: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ).
Put in 64GB Crucial and a 2TB WD Red NVMe.
Proxmox with 4x Ubuntu 24.04 (Zabbix/2x Zabbix Proxy/UniFi Network Application Server) / 1x HAOS VM and 1x OPNsense with Zenarmor:
Around 40 Watts.
Turning off OPNsense, around 30 watts.
Measured with one of those IKEA plugs, I cannot type that name.
Do you guys have experience with Qotom Q30900SE ? interface-wise it looks perfect fr me, but there is no n100 cpu option and i am wondering if i3 10110U really suitable for such a fanless case?
Qotom Multi LAN Router PC Q30900SE JL82599ES SFP+ 5405U i3 10110U 2.5G
Qotom Multi LAN Router PC Q30900SE JL82599ES SFP+ 5405U i3 10110U 2.5G
There is also coming model Q10900U6 which seems to be perfect, except that i would like to see Intel X550 or some other energy efficient 10G NIC, not X540. I'm waiting for pricing, i got response that they will sen email when it is available to order.
qotom.net
Mini PC Q10900U6 S13 Series-Multi-Network Port Series-Qotom Mini PC
Mini PC with N100/N305 CPU, dual 2.5G, dual 10G RJ45, and dual 10G SFP+ ports. Ideal for high-speed routing, firewall, and network server applications.
The one with dual X710 SFP+ interface is interesting. I already bought the one with dual Aquantia NICs a couple of months ago though, when an SFP+ version wasn't available.There is also coming model Q10900U6 which seems to be perfect, except that i would like to see Intel X550 or some other energy efficient 10G NIC, not X540. I'm waiting for pricing, i got response that they will sen email when it is available to order.
Mini PC Q10900U6 S13 Series-Multi-Network Port Series-Qotom Mini PC
Mini PC with N100/N305 CPU, dual 2.5G, dual 10G RJ45, and dual 10G SFP+ ports. Ideal for high-speed routing, firewall, and network server applications.
If you want energy efficient 10GBASE-T, Intel isn't really your best bet.
I am looking for a 10Gbps-capable router appliance for a while, and this one looks really nice. Is/will there be also a version with 6x Ethernet and 2x SFP using a Intel X710?
Is such a smaller N100-like processor actually capable to route 10Gbps over VLANs?
6 x Ethernet and 2 x SFP+? I doubt it. Alder Lake-N (and its successor in the N series) processors are very limited in terms of PCI-E bandwidth (just 9 PCI-E 3.0 lanes).
Why do you even need 6 x Ethernet ports?
I haven't benchmarked the N100 for routing, but I would expect it to handle it just fine. I'm aure you can find someone who has tested it themselves though.
I just noticed that they also have another upcoming model called the Q10900V6 that appears to be just like the Q10900U6, but with Intel X550 instead of X540 for the 10GBASE-T ports. Sounds like it's even closer to what you said you wanted?There is also coming model Q10900U6 which seems to be perfect, except that i would like to see Intel X550 or some other energy efficient 10G NIC, not X540. I'm waiting for pricing, i got response that they will sen email when it is available to order.
Mini PC Q10900U6 S13 Series-Multi-Network Port Series-Qotom Mini PC
Mini PC with N100/N305 CPU, dual 2.5G, dual 10G RJ45, and dual 10G SFP+ ports. Ideal for high-speed routing, firewall, and network server applications.
Mini PC Q10900V6 S13 Series-Multi-Network Port Series-Qotom Mini PC
Q10900V6-S13 features Intel Alder Lake-N CPU, 2×10G LAN, 2×10G SFP+, and 2×2.5G LAN, ideal for firewalls, routers, and secure edge networking in compact deployments.
While looking for the model mentioned above, I also came across the model below which is using a U-series CPU and 6 x Intel I225-V/I226-V + 2 x Intel X710 SFP+. I still doubt you'll find one using an N-series CPU though due to the limitations I mentioned.
Mini PC Q30900UE S13 Series
Qotom is a reliable manufacturer of Fanless Mini PC, Industrial Mini PC, NAS. Our products are sold to the EU, America, Asia, etc., and enjoyed a great reputation in the whole world market.
I still don't really see the point in having so many network ports, but clearly some people find a use for it.
Well yes that is exactly what i asked few months ago but answer was that propably not going to produce since it would be too expensive.I just noticed that they also have another upcoming model called the Q10900V6 that appears to be just like the Q10900U6, but with Intel X550 instead of X540 for the 10GBASE-T ports. Sounds like it's even closer to what you said you wanted?
Mini PC Q10900V6 S13 Series-Multi-Network Port Series-Qotom Mini PC
Q10900V6-S13 features Intel Alder Lake-N CPU, 2×10G LAN, 2×10G SFP+, and 2×2.5G LAN, ideal for firewalls, routers, and secure edge networking in compact deployments.www.qotom.net
I don't know what could be improved since now there is available the most reliable and low power nics to be used.
Let's wait for the pricing, hopefully it won't go too high.
Unfortunately this is not coming, at least not yet. I got bad news when i asked about price and availability::
The Q11032V6 (X550 and X710) is just for sample proofing, the final model is confirmed to Q11032U6 (X540 and X710).
The barebone price of Q11032U6 (X540 and X710) is about USD350.00
The Q11032V6 (X550 and X710) is just for sample proofing, the final model is confirmed to Q11032U6 (X540 and X710).
The barebone price of Q11032U6 (X540 and X710) is about USD350.00
I see. Seems to be available on Alibaba, but perhaps just ready for bulk orders.
Qotom Q10900u6 Alder Lake N Firewall Mini Pc With Dual Intel X540 10g Rj45 And Dual X710 Sfp Plus Ports For Network Security - Buy Pfsense opnsense vyos untangle Ng Firewall openwrt X86_64 routeros (mikrotik) ubuntu Server / Debian / Centos / Rocky Linux proxmox Ve Product on Alibaba.com
Qotom Q10900u6 Alder Lake N Firewall Mini Pc With Dual Intel X540 10g Rj45 And Dual X710 Sfp Plus Ports For Network Security - Buy Pfsense opnsense vyos untangle Ng Firewall openwrt X86_64 routeros (mikrotik) ubuntu Server / Debian / Centos / Rocky Linux proxmox Ve Product on Alibaba.com
The Q10900U6 S13 (N305 + X710 + X540) appears to be available on AliExpress. Has anyone rolled the dice on one of these yet?
It sure is tempting for a firewall appliance. The RJ45 10g ports are nice for connecting to >1G ONT that seems to be on the rise for home fiber internet service, along with SFP+ for everything else 10g.
I am skeptical of the cooling capabilities of the enclosure. Imagine maxing out all four 10G ports and the CPU, I don't think there's enough aluminum there to safely keep the electronics happy. But a couple low-speed 120mm fans resting on top might be enough to keep things safe. Thoughts?
It sure is tempting for a firewall appliance. The RJ45 10g ports are nice for connecting to >1G ONT that seems to be on the rise for home fiber internet service, along with SFP+ for everything else 10g.
I am skeptical of the cooling capabilities of the enclosure. Imagine maxing out all four 10G ports and the CPU, I don't think there's enough aluminum there to safely keep the electronics happy. But a couple low-speed 120mm fans resting on top might be enough to keep things safe. Thoughts?