Topton Jasper Lake Quad i225V Mini PC Report

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Oarman

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My 5800U boosts to 4.2 ghz at time, but in Prime95 it has not clocked more than 2.2ghz all core. I think there is a power limit on the bios, the cpu TDP is stated as 15W, and in HWinfo, I'm getting exactly 15W @2.2ghz all core. Temps are around 60c.

I need to check if I can get all core clocks a bit higher if there is a way to allow the cpu to draw more power.
How noisy is the blower fan loaded like that? I've been real close to getting one of those units but was concerned about how loud it got. Then again if it's capped at 15W one wonders why they didn't use a passive chassis.
 

denisyan

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Well, i've asked CWWK about which fan and how can i put inside mine J6412 with mini 2pin.
There answer — "you can build your own", and some pictures. Hilarious!
 

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Well, i've asked CWWK about which fan and how can i put inside mine J6412 with mini 2pin.
There answer — "you can build your own", and some pictures. Hilarious!
Thats awesome.. lol

I tried to communicate with CWWK as well..
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My instructions... lol
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And also received the same DIY pics... Not very useful info so tried asking again due to the language barrier

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Didn't get anywhere finding out the exact connectors they are using but I did get an offer to send two fans as a gift if I payed for the freight :)
 
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DarkHelmet

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I picked up the 6 port j6413 version from topton to use as an opnsense firewall/router. I ordered on Nov 1, and received it on Nov 15th. I did take a look at the heat sink clearances. Mine looked ok. Removed the copper plate, sanded surfaces smooth replaced the thermal paste with new stuff. I have it up and running the latest opnsense with a few plugins. Sits at about 45c. virtually no cpu being used ~5% even tho I setup a few ports to be bridged ( was told this was hard on the CPU because of routing packets need to be inspected by cpu if you setup a bridge. Anyway so far pretty happy with the purchase.

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T.Sharp

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Another recommendation I found for fixing the cooler gap, is to use a 0.5 - 1.0mm thermal pad between the heat spreader and case, then just tighten the screws on the spreader to get the proper height / contact.
Because of the larger surface area of the heat spreader, a thin thermal pad shouldn't impede cooling enough to matter. I think that would be the easiest fix for those that need it though.

Copper shims are easy too, just a bit fiddly to find the exact thickness and get them centered on the dies.
 

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How noisy is the blower fan loaded like that? I've been real close to getting one of those units but was concerned about how loud it got. Then again if it's capped at 15W one wonders why they didn't use a passive chassis.
Noticeable at full load, it goes to 3000+ rpm, at 500rpm it is inaudible at 50c, under load it can go to 90c, and it will rev to 3500rpm. running 2 VMs in hyper-v at the moment it barely get over 60c and 20% load, so barely any fan noise
 
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cdru

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Didn't get anywhere finding out the exact connectors they are using but I did get an offer to send two fans as a gift if I payed for the freight :)
If you didn't see my earlier comment, I can definitely confirm your 4 pin fan connector is Molex PicoBlade. My board appears to be the same, also from CWWK.
 

terrybads

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No sure if this is the correct forum but this week I finally had time to setup my promox > pfsense and it was running strong for 2-3 days and it randomly restarted. Promox sees the VM up but pfsense uptime was refreshed.

Topton N6005 4xIntel i225 NICs. --- ordered around May2022
promox VE 7.2
pfsense 2.6

Reading around is it a bios issue with the new jasperlake issue? Again anyone experiencing this please let me know.
 

cdru

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I have not tried 2019, try 2022 instead perhaps as I'm using it already for a few days.

I suggest you download the latest driver pack from https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...el-ethernet-adapter-complete-driver-pack.html and use the driver in the PRO2500 folder, there are drivers for W11 and W2022, for W11 it will install the i226v drivers just fine, for W2022 I had to use the i226-LM, it worked fine, so far.
Already had been using that exact driver pack. I didn't try the Server 2022 eval, but I did try W11 and it has the exact same issue once I enabled Hyper-V and assigned a port to a vSwitch. No VMs were even installed yet. I didn't check before I enabled Hyper-V as it'd be useless for how I intend to use it.

While it'd be easy to blame Hyper-V and Microsoft, given Intel's past history with the i225 I'm still much more inclined to blame Intel for crappy hardware and driver.
 

Adrjl64

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No sure if this is the correct forum but this week I finally had time to setup my promox > pfsense and it was running strong for 2-3 days and it randomly restarted. Promox sees the VM up but pfsense uptime was refreshed.

Topton N6005 4xIntel i225 NICs. --- ordered around May2022
promox VE 7.2
pfsense 2.6

Reading around is it a bios issue with the new jasperlake issue? Again anyone experiencing this please let me know.
You probably need the 5.19 kernel. There’s a lot of information in this thread about it: link
 

Adrjl64

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Thats awesome.. lol

I tried to communicate with CWWK as well..
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My instructions... lol
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And also received the same DIY pics... Not very useful info so tried asking again due to the language barrier

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Didn't get anywhere finding out the exact connectors they are using but I did get an offer to send two fans as a gift if I payed for the freight :)
It’s a JST 4pin connector with 1.25 pitch. I purchased a set on Aliexpress (link) to convert a 40x10 5v Noctua fan. PWM works like a charm now.

Great service that they send you the fan. The connector is very small and it’s not easy to crimp cables for it.
 

sqrwv

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ok ... please report to CW this issue .... is drawing way to much power for what clocks we get .... is a bios issue.

CW support told me that they are focused on V5 now .... but i think if enough users of V3/V4 push this they will take a better look on the bios.

in V1/V2 the N5105 is pulling 15w for full 2.7-2.8Ghz freq ....
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lets push this with support
Hi,

I bought a N5105 from topton with a different motherboard than yours.
Motherboard is a GF-1338NP-12, V1.4 and software says it's a Techvision TVI7309X.
(It's the one that has a SERIAL port that "looks like a ethernet port".)

I also can't replicate the 2.8GHz with 12.53W CPU Package.
My MB/CPU runs AIDA FPU test (BIOS P1:15W,128s; P2:20W), with all 4 cores at 2.8GHz and the CPU package uses 17,19Watts.
I didn't replace the thermal paste yet, the max temp is 71C during the 128secs test at 2.8GHz.
Mains power measures 26.x Watts (2.8GHz full load) in the previous test and around 11 watts while idle in win10.
Box has 2x8GB RAM, 128GB SATA SSD, 256 NVMe SSD, keyboard, mouse, 1 eth port connected and HDMI monitor.

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Interesting, here it says CPU VID is 1.112V while it was running the FPU test.
Could you see if you have a different CORE and VID voltages with CPU at 2.8GHz full load running aida FPU test?

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-> Then after some minutes, it goes to this:
The 4 cores go to 2.6GHz with 14.9 W CPU package and 24.x W mains power consumption.
(So probably if I lock P2 to 15W, I'll get max 2.6GHz)

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-> BIOS P1:15W,128s; P2:15W
From what I can see, each of the cores clock will fluctuate from 2.5GHz to 2.8GHz.
Bellow graph is for 10 minutes, looks like this would continue forever.
Mains power measures 24.x Watts.
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Note: Don't mind the incorrect +5V value, I measured the SATA power cable and it's 5V.
 
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cdru

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It’s a JST 4pin connector with 1.25 pitch. I purchased a set on Aliexpress (link) to convert a 40x10 5v Noctua fan. PWM works like a charm now.
FYI to anyone that comes along, the Aliexpress link calls it a "JST1.25" connector and sells it as part of a JST assortment, but it's not actually a JST connector.

JST stands for Japan Solderless Terminal and is an actual company. You can see all the true JST connector styles here. Filter down to 1.25mm pitch and you won't find it shown.

You will find them on Molex's website here, though unfortunately they use the same image regardless of the actual number of pins.
 

T.Sharp

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If you want to splice a connector to your fan of choice, you can also order terminated PicoBlade cables from digikey, mouser, newark etc. by searching the part number from the Molex site.

Here's a 4 pin 15cm cable

Does anyone know whether they are using 5V or 12V for the fan headers? I noticed a lot of laptop fans that use these tiny connectors, are designed for 5V. Usually a 12V fan will run on 5V though.
 

cdru

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Does anyone know whether they are using 5V or 12V for the fan headers? I noticed a lot of laptop fans that use these tiny connectors, are designed for 5V. Usually a 12V fan will run on 5V though.
Depends on which board version you have. The board in mine I believe was 5V for v1 and v2, but switched to 12V for v3 and later.
 
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ddutch206

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Been there. Made the made same mistake initially.

It's not a JST GH-series (1.25mm) connector, though you have the pitch correct. That's a 3-pin right angle Molex PicoBlade connector. It's probably a knock off as the metal ears on the ends look to be curled up differently and from the opposite side as the authentic version shown in the link.

Unless you have microscopic hands, you're definitely on the right path buying some prewired connectors. This is what I ended up buying just for the 4-pin version on my board. I'd mail you the 3-pin connector, but presuming you're in Germany from the amazon.de link, it'd probably take longer to get there than you can it locally.

Apparently PicoBlade connectors are often found with radio controlled cars, drones, etc. I don't know if it's the same in Europe or Germany, but if you have one in the area you might check there.
Ordered a 3-pin PicoBlade cable for €8.

Weird that some folks have 4-pin yet the i226 J6413 boards use 3-pin.
 

dums

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Depends on which board version you have. The board in mine I believe was 5V for v1 and v2, but switched to 12V for v3 and later.
Regarding V3 I would disagree (snip from spec sheet pdf):
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According to Google translate:
"5V small 4pin fan power supply pin"
 
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burtal

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Hi,

I bought a N5105 from topton with a different motherboard than yours.
Motherboard is a GF-1338NP-12, V1.4 and software says it's a Techvision TVI7309X.
(It's the one that has a SERIAL port that "looks like a ethernet port".)

I also can't replicate the 2.8GHz with 12.53W CPU Package.
My MB/CPU runs AIDA FPU test (BIOS P1:15W,128s; P2:20W), with all 4 cores at 2.8GHz and the CPU package uses 17,19Watts.
I didn't replace the thermal paste yet, the max temp is 71C during the 128secs test at 2.8GHz.
Mains power measures 26.x Watts (2.8GHz full load) in the previous test and around 11 watts while idle in win10.
Box has 2x8GB RAM, 128GB SATA SSD, 256 NVMe SSD, keyboard, mouse, 1 eth port connected and HDMI monitor.

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Interesting, here it says CPU VID is 1.112V while it was running the FPU test.
Could you see if you have a different CORE and VID voltages with CPU at 2.8GHz full load running aida FPU test?

View attachment 25612


-> Then after some minutes, it goes to this:
The 4 cores go to 2.6GHz with 14.9 W CPU package and 14.x W mains power consumption.
(So probably if I lock P2 to 15W, I'll get max 2.6GHz)

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-> BIOS P1:15W,128s; P2:15W
From what I can see, each of the cores clock will fluctuate from 2.5GHz to 2.8GHz.
Bellow graph is for 10 minutes, looks like this would continue forever.
Mains power measures 24.x Watts.
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Note: Don't mind the incorrect +5V value, I measured the SATA power cable and it's 5V.

yes i see the same difference in core /VID

can you try running PL1 at 20W without time limit .... in theory you should be capped by temps at some point depending on how good the cooler is.
Curious if you can see full speeds.

what im trying to get from bios is full clocks and keep the full clocks until thermal limit is hit .... that would be the nice behaviour

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the even funny thing is if i run only FPU 2.6 ghz is all i get ...and then drops to 2.2

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ddutch206

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Another question (tried search but failed). For those that installed a 40mm fan, did you install it with as an intake or exhaust fan?