If I would buy that one, I would just order it, order a big passive cooler (maybe a Noctua nh-p1) and then attach it to the board. There is always a way to attach things to each other.
Topton Jasper Lake Quad i225V Mini PC Report
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@Becks0815 there is a thread about "NAS" motherboard from CWWK/Changwang on this forum: [Topton 'NAS' motherboard.]
It's still a weird mess of dubious design choices (4 2.5Gbit LAN, 2 x1 NVMe, JMB585 on x1 lane), and is not really a NAS, but NVR. There is also Odroid H3, and it's also a mess, for example: no Sata hot swap, no staggered spinup, no USB 3.2 Gen2 (10GBbps USB-A or Type-C ports), although it's possible.
I wonder why no "regular" motherboard manufacturers have released Jasper Lake boards yet, 2022 is almost over.
It's still a weird mess of dubious design choices (4 2.5Gbit LAN, 2 x1 NVMe, JMB585 on x1 lane), and is not really a NAS, but NVR. There is also Odroid H3, and it's also a mess, for example: no Sata hot swap, no staggered spinup, no USB 3.2 Gen2 (10GBbps USB-A or Type-C ports), although it's possible.
I wonder why no "regular" motherboard manufacturers have released Jasper Lake boards yet, 2022 is almost over.
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we should be careful that we are comparing the same benchmark with power consumption. I was running prime95/small, which uses the most power possible and may trigger an AVX clockdown or something. Unfortunately I am no longer running windows so I can't run aida64 myself.
I have a couple questions for those of you running Proxmox on top of those devices. Do you passthrough the NIC interfaces to soft BSD Routers / VMs or create a linux bridge in proxmox and "serve" that as virtio to the VM? I am noticing significant cpu loads while downloading large stuff at full bandwidth (currently "only" 200mbps, through https/ftp).
My setup:
Topton p7505 4x i225-v b3
Proxmox VE 7.2-11 with kernel 5.19.7-2
VT-d enabled in bios, intel_iommu enabled in grub
running dmesg | grep -e DMAR -e IOMMU shows iommu enabled
Opnsense VM with two physical NICs passed through for Lan and Wan.
cpu load in Proxmox idles at ~3%, with a "normal" https download active it spikes to 20-24%. The OPNsense VM itself has 2 cpus assigned is running at 41-44% cpu. Usual firewall rules and no Intrusion Detection / suricata running.
I've tried running iperf3, the server is called from the opnsense instance (console), client on another proxmox host. I get "only" 715mbit/s throughtput while the OPN vm hits 90% cpu all the time the test is running. In opnsense, interface settings, I've left enabled hardware CRC, TSO and LRO.
Out of curiosity I've hosted the Iperf server on the main node instead of the OPN VM, and I'm getting the full 935mbit/s expected from the nic running at gigabit speeds.
Any Idea on how could I improve the performance of the system? I worry once I get a 1gbit line I might get capped by the system itself.
My setup:
Topton p7505 4x i225-v b3
Proxmox VE 7.2-11 with kernel 5.19.7-2
VT-d enabled in bios, intel_iommu enabled in grub
running dmesg | grep -e DMAR -e IOMMU shows iommu enabled
Opnsense VM with two physical NICs passed through for Lan and Wan.
cpu load in Proxmox idles at ~3%, with a "normal" https download active it spikes to 20-24%. The OPNsense VM itself has 2 cpus assigned is running at 41-44% cpu. Usual firewall rules and no Intrusion Detection / suricata running.
I've tried running iperf3, the server is called from the opnsense instance (console), client on another proxmox host. I get "only" 715mbit/s throughtput while the OPN vm hits 90% cpu all the time the test is running. In opnsense, interface settings, I've left enabled hardware CRC, TSO and LRO.
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root@PvE:~# iperf3 -c 192.168.50.1
Connecting to host 192.168.50.1, port 5201
[ 5] local 192.168.50.251 port 38100 connected to 192.168.50.1 port 5201
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate Retr Cwnd
[ 5] 0.00-1.00 sec 110 MBytes 919 Mbits/sec 0 904 KBytes
[ 5] 1.00-2.00 sec 80.0 MBytes 671 Mbits/sec 56 1.19 MBytes
[ 5] 2.00-3.00 sec 86.2 MBytes 724 Mbits/sec 0 1.30 MBytes
[ 5] 3.00-4.00 sec 83.8 MBytes 703 Mbits/sec 0 1.38 MBytes
[ 5] 4.00-5.00 sec 81.2 MBytes 682 Mbits/sec 0 1.44 MBytes
[ 5] 5.00-6.00 sec 81.2 MBytes 682 Mbits/sec 2 1.07 MBytes
[ 5] 6.00-7.00 sec 87.5 MBytes 734 Mbits/sec 0 1.14 MBytes
[ 5] 7.00-8.00 sec 77.5 MBytes 650 Mbits/sec 0 1.18 MBytes
[ 5] 8.00-9.00 sec 78.8 MBytes 661 Mbits/sec 0 1.21 MBytes
[ 5] 9.00-10.00 sec 86.2 MBytes 724 Mbits/sec 0 1.23 MBytes
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate Retr
[ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 852 MBytes 715 Mbits/sec 58 sender
[ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 849 MBytes 712 Mbits/sec receiver
iperf Done.Any Idea on how could I improve the performance of the system? I worry once I get a 1gbit line I might get capped by the system itself.
Also to note, "package power" and associated sensors, are not true power measurements, they are based on current x VID (VID is what the CPU requests, not what it actually receives), so it could just be that the DC Loadline has been tweaked in bios, which will skew VID reporting. On higher end mobos, you can see the difference between reported packaged power and true power, usually using "VR VOUT" sensors. Unfortunately I don't think these boards have that. Better to measure from the wall, or at least compare AC/DC Loadline settings.
Ryzen 7 in the case, right? Ryzen 9 doesn't exist for any appliances.
Windows Server 2022 you must install the driver for i226-LM, this way it will work correctly.
There are no i226v drivers for Windows Server.
Does anyone know if there is a regular gigabit 6 port variation of these little boxes? As much as I would love 2.5Gbe for future proofing, I don't need it and figured a gigabit version could save me some more money.
I kept it simple with proxmox and opnnsense. 1 port Linux bridged to virtio for WAN. The other 3 in another bridge for virtio LAN.
a couple years ago I experimented with passthrough of the nics. That also worked but didn't seem to have performance benefits.
Also opnsense recommends leaving those offloads disabled. I know on my current setup when I tried to enable crc offload performance tanked
My CWWK N5105 v5 4x i226 barebones just arrived (ordered Nov. 2, delivered Nov. 12, China to Texas, USA).
Sweet unit! I canceled my original Topton Direct J4125 order due to non-shipment / general vendor shadiness, and now I'm glad I did and opted for the 5105 instead.
My intended application is firewall and (lightweight) VM host for AdGuard etc.
I added a 250GB PNY SATA SSD and 32GB DDR4 3200 (2x16GB) I had on hand.
Build quality feels solid. No visual gapping of heat slug, but may do a deeper dive on thermals later.
Currently stress testing with Proxmox VE 7.2-11:
I had to update Proxmox kernel and intel-microcode to get things stable:
Stress test for the past ~1 hour has peaked at 90C core temp (avg. 80s C) with 2 NIC ports (Debian VM1 to OPNSense VM0) saturated at 2.5gig with iperf3 and Debian VM2 running 'stress' to peg its CPU at 100%. Total utilization reported by Proxmox is near 4x 100% and things seem pretty stable so far. Kill-a-Watt shows 25W at the plug under this load with the included PSU.
Previous testing with case open and without 'stress' VM ran overnight with peak temps around ~70C and no crashes.
Idle with case open -> upper 30s C, case closed -> low 40s C with no airflow and ambient ~25C.
Sweet unit! I canceled my original Topton Direct J4125 order due to non-shipment / general vendor shadiness, and now I'm glad I did and opted for the 5105 instead.
My intended application is firewall and (lightweight) VM host for AdGuard etc.
I added a 250GB PNY SATA SSD and 32GB DDR4 3200 (2x16GB) I had on hand.
Build quality feels solid. No visual gapping of heat slug, but may do a deeper dive on thermals later.
Currently stress testing with Proxmox VE 7.2-11:
- VM0: OPNsense 22.7.7_1 (2 cores, 2 dedicated/passthru NICs, 1 bridged virtual NIC)
- VM1: Debian 5.10.140-1 (1 core, 1 dedicated/passthru NIC)
- VM2: Debian 5.10.140-1 (1 core, 1 bridged virtual NIC)
Linux 5.19.7-2-pve #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC PVE 5.19.7-2microcode: microcode updated early to revision 0x24000023, date = 2022-02-19Stress test for the past ~1 hour has peaked at 90C core temp (avg. 80s C) with 2 NIC ports (Debian VM1 to OPNSense VM0) saturated at 2.5gig with iperf3 and Debian VM2 running 'stress' to peg its CPU at 100%. Total utilization reported by Proxmox is near 4x 100% and things seem pretty stable so far. Kill-a-Watt shows 25W at the plug under this load with the included PSU.
Previous testing with case open and without 'stress' VM ran overnight with peak temps around ~70C and no crashes.
Idle with case open -> upper 30s C, case closed -> low 40s C with no airflow and ambient ~25C.
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Yesterday I tried switching from pcie passthrough to E1000/bridged interfaces. There's a definitive performance loss in there, I was getting almost 90% cpu load in the VM as soon as I've saturated the download bandwidth (200mbit through wan).
Reverted back to the two nics being passed to the VM and everything works much better, the box itself shows about 20% load at full wan bandwidth.
I'll wait for next year once I get true fiber (1G/300M FTTH + PPPoE) to test again.
Reverted back to the two nics being passed to the VM and everything works much better, the box itself shows about 20% load at full wan bandwidth.
I'll wait for next year once I get true fiber (1G/300M FTTH + PPPoE) to test again.
Pro tip: Bug their aliexpress customer service channel. They tend to ship things rather quickly if you do
Funny enough - many advertise "3-10 Days Delivery" but forget to mention that this only applies once shipped! Also the claim that if you choose "Sellers Shipping Method" should be faster than DHL, but estimated delivery is stated January 16th ?!? So much for clear communications and good expectation management . . .
"Good News: Send from China to EU/RU/UK/US/IL etc by DDP&Charter Flight, No VAT/TAX Generally, Must Choose Seller's Shipping Method that can be tracked and deliver fast than DHL!!! It is possible to pay VAT/TAX if you choose other shipping methods. Seller is NOT responsible for buyer's VAT/TAX."
Talking about "fake news" these days - what about false advertising
Time will tell . . .
yes ... it happens on aida64 also .... as the Chinese guy pointed out ... is a bios issue. if we report it in mass .... maybe they will fix it after they release the V5
I did bug their store but they just said once it’s made it’ll be shipped.
Loksing shipped the unit the next day using Yanwen as the courier. I’ve found them to be pretty good with a turnaround of 10 days to the UK. Let’s see if it’s the same.
From what I've seen on the mini PC I've ordered (picking seller's shipping method on Topton official), shipment took about 10 days. Factor in that Italy has a somewhat slow post service, and you get the idea.
These are the details of my tracking:
It took a whole week (17th-22th) to get out of China, then another week to get delivered. On the package there was both the local post sticker and another one from what I presume is an office that is doing some tax stuff for the seller (eVatmaster consulting GmbH, Frankfurt DE). So perhaps this firm (chinese) is handling their part of the VAT / custom declarations to import stuff into Europe without hassle?
These are the details of my tracking:
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2022-10-28 10:16 Delivered
2022-10-28 08:06 Out for delivery
2022-10-27 05:20 [HUB NORD] first parcel scan along poste italiane’s logistic network
2022-10-25 18:30 Clearing Customs - Custom clearance completed
2022-10-22 15:24 [China]Arrive at international airport to abroad
2022-10-22 07:24 [Dongguan]Departed Facility In processing center
2022-10-21 18:35 [Dongguan]Departed Facility in Dongguan
2022-10-21 01:32 [Dongguan]Arrived at Sort Facility Dongguan
2022-10-17 10:48 Shipment information received Last mile tracking number:5P24***** - Last mile tracking carrier:ITPOST-EC
2022-10-17 10:48 Shipment confirmationThat's weird.
I'm using bridged virtio drivers. Doing a speed test.net from a client is about 33% CPU utilization at gigabit speeds.
I wonder if that's only virtio/e1000 or something bigger
I have a feeling i was screwed out of 163 dollars I bought through topton as that the link that was primarily in the early pages of this thread. from payment they took 11 days to say they shipped it as in the clock was down to 2 hours before I was to get an auto refund I have a tracking number but i have a feeling that nothing has shipped just that they paid for shipping. and generated a label
I wouldn't be that concerned as that seems to be the way Topton operates...they take forever to ship but the unit eventually reaches the end user...at least that's the hope. I've ordered a 4125 unit from them recently and they took about 9 days to ship it. It came with a weird tracking number that showed it was shipped 10 days earlier and then it was updated again to what I presume to be an accurate tracking. Either way, I've never had any issues with AliExpress and opening a dispute to request a refund if something doesn't arrive on time or was shipped incorrectly. Hopefully both of us will eventually get what we ordered!