So with two of these I could do raid 0 for e-peen purposes?
And for less than 800 bucks. That’s great that they’re starting to get more reasonable. They’d make great database drives. I’m doing a lot more DB work these days.
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And for less than 800 bucks. That’s great that they’re starting to get more reasonable. They’d make great database drives. I’m doing a lot more DB work these days.
If your workload is not write intensively, it's more cost effective to get Intel DC P3600 (3DWPD) or Samsung PM1725(a) (5DWPD). You could get two 1.6TB P3600 for a total of 3.2TB between $600 and $800. This will give you more disk capacity with almost same cost.
In a multi-user environment, the P3700 drive runs circles around the 970 EVO. Performance consistency in high load environment is where the Intel enterprise drives earn their cost.
I'm putting together a new ESXi build, and my plans were to go with 4 1TB Samsung 970's in a Highpoint SSD7101A in a RAID 0 config. Since drive performance is my limiting factor, I'm more concerned about performance than anything. I have adequate backups of all the VM's running so I'm aware of and accept the possibility of data loss. For my use case, it is about performance. I currently have a mix of 'Nix and Windows VMs, all the 'Nix machines are servers providing services such as wordpress, email, plex, etc. Two of the windows machines support users.
After reading this thread, it seems like I might be ahead (performance speaking) to change my plans to two of these drives instead of the Highpoint. The fact that it would be ~$600 cheaper is a nice plus, but from a pure performance standpoint in this use case (ESXi VMs), what say you?
After reading this thread, it seems like I might be ahead (performance speaking) to change my plans to two of these drives instead of the Highpoint. The fact that it would be ~$600 cheaper is a nice plus, but from a pure performance standpoint in this use case (ESXi VMs), what say you?
From a pure performance point of view it will depend on how much I/O you have.
(Relatively) short bursts will likely be faster on your 970 Raid. If you keep on hammering the drives for larger amounts (larger than cache) or extended time then the P3700's will be able to sustain much longer.
(Relatively) short bursts will likely be faster on your 970 Raid. If you keep on hammering the drives for larger amounts (larger than cache) or extended time then the P3700's will be able to sustain much longer.
So, by this, multiple VM's located on the same drive would be better off on the P3700, or am I missing something?
Most likely (again depending on I/O behaviour).
A problem might be that there currently is no way to RAID two PCIe/AIC P3700's (that I know off) but somebody else can enlighten me?
You could do it with the Highpoint controller if you got U2 ones and then used M2 -> U2 adapter cables
A problem might be that there currently is no way to RAID two PCIe/AIC P3700's (that I know off) but somebody else can enlighten me?
You could do it with the Highpoint controller if you got U2 ones and then used M2 -> U2 adapter cables
I had considered this and decided I'd just do two 2TB stores instead of a 4TB. I'm ok with that. The highpoint is $400 which makes it a tad expensive just to gain a single store. A more valid consideration, at least for me, is that if for whatever reason I decided to discontinue my home lab, I'd have more use for the 970's than I would for the P3700's. But, that is unlikely and really offset by the savings.
Debating a handful of raided consumer grade drives vs this older enterprise grade pci-express drive is a no brained to me: I’d get this drive or one like it in a heartbeat. But everyone has an opinion and that’s fine. The thread is If you’re in the market for a drive like this this is a steal. If you want to go the consumer grade raided setup which I think is needlessly complex so be it.
That being said did anyone buy one of these p3700s or go with a newer say 3605?
That being said did anyone buy one of these p3700s or go with a newer say 3605?
Neither, mostly optane lately.
I think that was a P3608 ? Too many random numbers not all on 1 sheet to keep track of...
Take some random card that has multiple 2280 ports on it with a PCB that does pci e 3.0 and then can without any wierdness present to the host 2 to 4 independent drives so that you can do as you please. Or it bonds them all in some raid 10 or raid 0 scenario which I just can’t stomach. I’d rather it be very simple and let my storage subsystem (say ZFS) ha dale the rest and it doesn’t get simpler than a drive like the P3700 where the whole unit has been QA’d by Intel and presented. Never mind the fact that it has power loss protection and much stronger Nand
I'm not sure that clears up the "unnecessary complexity" for me, at least for the use case I outlined, but this isn't the place for that conversation - as you alluded to earlier. If it helps your stomach, I am leaning towards the P3700 and I appreciate your input.
+1
home/small business use cases tend to be seq read/writes: media, gaming, photo/videography, etc.
machine learning/ai tends to be sequential reads, seq writes
Enterprise workloads tend to be databases: random 4k.
patching / updates can be either (depends on algo and content), but generally is more random 4k than sequential.
Recent databases technologies have become popular again which are append only, so they tend to work better with seq access: you want BBU + seq read and write for fastest performance.
once this hits 4-500 its a no brainer. until then continue the dogpile
I have two of these coming at $520 each. I offered $480, he came back with $575, I offered $520 and he accepted.
I'm thinking to use the early Christmas present I got, and just 3D print one. No more $$$ for a damn bracket.