ES Xeon Discussion

[RolloZ170]

Do you know of a good place to source them other than ebay, and what should i get? depending on price,

aliexpress
cheap are only the BGA to LGA models. i.e. QTJ2, I9-9980HK I7-9750H 8750H...
but ES with working iGPU cheap ? imho no way.

ie a E-2226G and up.

E-2226G is Coffee Lake-ER, usual there a are only a few ES because its a refresh and no or expensive on the market.

 

[heromode]

aliexpress
cheap are only the BGA to LGA models. i.e. QTJ2, I9-9980HK I7-9750H 8750H...
but ES with working iGPU cheap ? imho no way.

E-2226G is Coffee Lake-ER, usual there a are only a few ES because its a refresh and no or expensive on the market.

oops, meant 2126G as well..

So you are saying no QS or ES Xeon's with igpu? like these:

Intel Xeon E-2126G ES QNTM 3.00GHZ 6C 6T Support C242 C246 LGA1151 motherboard | eBay
Intel Xeon E-2126G ES QNTM 3.00GHz 6 Core LGA1151 Support C242 C246 Motherboard | eBay

I haven't had time to scroll back in this thread yet (busy checking out the P3700's with intelmas), but is there some way you can check if your bios supports these in advance?

aliexpress
cheap are only the BGA to LGA models. i.e. QTJ2, I9-9980HK I7-9750H 8750H...

i have no idea what that means..

 

[RolloZ170]

i have no idea what that means.

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[RolloZ170]

So you are saying no QS or ES Xeon's with igpu? like these:

QNTM 6C/6T is very expensive, then the 9700K for €180 is a good price.

 

[heromode]

omg the prices, Core i9-9900K's on Aliexpress start at 350€..
but if 'no show' only means the model number not showing, are you saying the 100€ ones i linked to don't have a iGPU? they are 'G' models

And about the bios, how could i check?

 

[heromode]

QNTM 6C/6T is very expensive, then the 9700K for €180 is a good price.

I don't understand, they are 108€, so, no iGPU?

Edit: searched this thread and found no mention of QNTM other than now. Hope i'm not spamming the thread, just would like to know what the problem is with those cpu's, other than low frequency? The seller mentions nothing about no iGPU, and nothing about needing a custom bios.

 

[RolloZ170]

ut if 'no show' only means the model number showing, are you saying the 100€ ones i linked to don't have a iGPU? they are 'G' models

never sayd 'no show' is NO iGPU.
but you don't see the model of the CPU at the 'no show' ES, even not the 'G' everywhere.
QMTN is early stepping, no security vulnerabilities solved by microcodes, expensive motherboards.
QNTM is prod.stepping.

 

[heromode]

never sayd 'no show' is NO iGPU.
but you don't see the model of the CPU at the 'no show' ES, even not the 'G' everywhere.
QMTN is early stepping, no security vulnerabilities solved by microcodes, expensive motherboards.

sorry, i meant "not showing"

QMTN is early stepping, no security vulnerabilities solved by microcodes, expensive motherboards.

Ah ok, that's good to know.. Thankyou.

I have a new plan, just get a used Quadro for the Z10PE-D8, and use that as a 28 core desktop for now. These Coffee Lake prices are way too high still, i would have assumed Alder Lake would have resulted in lower prices for 9th gen, instead they went up!

 

[RolloZ170]

sorry, i meant "not showing"

'no show' 'not showing' is the same. i have never sayd this means no iGPU.
in ES Brand-string we can not see with or without iGPU. only way to know is to put it in a motherboard and check.
on a real i7-9700K i.e. CPU-Z reads the Brand-string out of the CPU(show's you) "Intel® Core i7-9700K @3.60Ghz"
early ES generaly do not show the model: CPU-Z show's "Genuine Intel® CPU 0000 @2.60Ghz (ES)"
A QS will show as follows: "Intel® Core i7-9700K @3.60Ghz (ES)"

 

[RolloZ170]

Ah ok, that's good to know.. Thankyou.

sorry, checked wrong QDF QMTN, QNTM is the correct QDF and is production stepping, good stepping then.

 

[RolloZ170]

have assumed Alder Lake would have resulted in lower prices for 9th gen, instead they went up!

most wanted & rare = expensive. all who have 300s board still running want an upgrade, even the chinese.
Alder Lake's (early bad)ES costs same than a boxed CPU in europe.

 

[heromode]

'no show' 'not showing' is the same. i have never sayd this means no iGPU.

To be clear, i never accused you of saying that, I myself said that. I read ebay descriptions of ES Xeon's that said 'no show', and foolishly assumed it's the chinese way of saying 'no graphics' lol

sorry, checked wrong QDF QMTN, QNTM is the correct QDF and is production stepping, good stepping then.

So this E-2126G ES QNTM 3.00GHZ would be a fairly good bet then? because again, it's 108€. A real one is 3.3GHz

 

[RolloZ170]

So this E-2126G ES QNTM 3.00GHZ would be a fairly good bet then? because again, it's 108€. A real one is 3.3GHz

only fair because its a Xeon. a desktop 6C 6T real one costs nots more.

 

[heromode]

Second hand Core i5-9600K is about 140€ and up.. new ones from 230€ and up lol

Dilemma is should i just try to sell my C246 ACE mobo, and get a i5-12600K + Z690 instead

check out that price spike, something is going on:

 

[RolloZ170]

Second hand Core i5-9600K is about 140€ and up..

you should compare a E-2126G with a i5-8400, not a K one. E-2226G = 2019, 9600K = 2019

 

[malloot]

Hey,

I have been playing around with the idea of buying QS cpu's for a while but it looks like the time has come now, i need 40 CPU's this year and saving a bit on each is just worth too much to ignore the QS option. I have a couple of options for machines, mostly looking at 2U 4 node machines like

H261-NO0 (3647)
H262-NO0 (4189)
X11DPT-B (3647)

I am looking for 20core+ CPU's, clock speed does not matter a lot and I prefer lower TDP/core cpu's with the lowest price per core, @RolloZ170 can you maybe recommend me a CPU for this? As far as i could find 4189 was still significantly more expensive and i cannot find a lot of information about QS compatibility on these.

 

[RolloZ170]

can you maybe recommend me a CPU for this?

40 QS CPUs from the same type is indeed a problem.
another question: 1st gen or 2nd gen 3647 ?

As far as i could find 4189 was still significantly more expensive and i cannot find a lot of information about QS compatibility on these.

QS run everywhere,not changed on 4189.
note if a seller calls a CPU "QS" it must not be one.

 

[malloot]

40 QS CPUs from the same type is indeed a problem.
another question: 1st gen or 2nd gen 3647 ?


QS run everywhere,not changed on 4189.
note if a seller calls a CPU "QS" it must not be one.

Sorry I don't need 40 the same, about 20 would already work as we need low some 14-18C higher clock speed ones as well, some sellers on ebay have this in stock. 3647 1st or 2nd gen does not matter too much to me, just needs to be stable and not cause issues with bios updates etc.

I am looking at these chips now:
8259CL (custom, might not work at all?)
8222l QS (indeed apears to be ES not QS)
6238t QS SRF9C
6138t QS SR3J7
6130 ES QNFC is often recommended here so also have that as an option
6330 QS 28 core stepping 6 for 4189, so is that a QS or is the seller making this up?

Thanks for the help @RolloZ170, let me know if i can do something in return.

 

[RolloZ170]

I am looking at these chips now:
8259CL (custom, might not work at all?)
8222l QS (indeed apears to be ES not QS)
6238t QS SRF9C
6138t QS SR3J7
6130 ES QNFC is often recommended here so also have that as an option
6330 QS 28 core stepping 6 for 4189, so is that a QS or is the seller making this up?

8259CL(TDC=255A) only ASRockRack/Gigabyte MD71, does not work on supermicro(VRM upgrade required)
8222L(TDC=255A) the cheap(QPLA) is A0(bad) stepping, but QS, 8222CL is the prod.part. if you see 8222L (ES) in CPU-Z its a QS (same than 8259(C)L only ASRock/Gigabyte )
6238t QS is Q???(QDF) stepping A0(bad), not SRF9C/SR3J7 this is production(sspec) ignore the sellers picture(maybe remarket/replaced heatsink)
6130 ES QNFC is a mutant not official QS but no display, unbeatable in price.
6330 QS if they have 2,10 Ghz it is the QS. but the sellers HWinfo screenshot shows 1,80 Ghz, that is QWAQ ES2 ! warning here.

 

[Ivan Dimitrov]

.... just needs to be stable and not cause issues with bios updates etc.

I assume you know what you are doing but your requirements seems contradicting - stable work and easy BIOS updates are not going hand in hand with this type of CPUs. You can check the thread for multiple post of request of hacked BIOSes or if a CPU will work with particular board.
It looks like you will be using the CPUs for some kind of production. Also consider the longer term maintenance effort of such solution. Can you afford the down time if something goes wrong? Do you already have the servers?
You haven't mentioned your space and memory requirements, but have you considered consumer CPUs - Ryzen and current gent Intel can be got with 12-16/20 cores easily.