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Sundar

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You can also buy Noctua NF-A4x20 FLX fans, i have modded 3 6450-24p with these ...
@juey : I just received my ICX 6450-24P. I do not use PoE and I have disabled PoE. The stock fans are still too loud for me. I am thinking of buying the Noctua NF-A4x20 FLX fans (I have been very happy with them in other switches like the Quanta LB9a).
I have a few questions:
- Will the standard 3-pin connector on the Noctua fans __JUST_WORK__?
- Or do I need to swap around the wires in any way?
- Did you replace BOTH the stock Sunon fans, or just one?

TIA
 

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@juey : I just received my ICX 6450-24P. I do not use PoE and I have disabled PoE. The stock fans are still too loud for me. I am thinking of buying the Noctua NF-A4x20 FLX fans (I have been very happy with them in other switches like the Quanta LB9a).
I have a few questions:
- Will the standard 3-pin connector on the Noctua fans __JUST_WORK__?
- Or do I need to swap around the wires in any way?
- Did you replace BOTH the stock Sunon fans, or just one?

TIA
You need to swap the wires with any fan replacement -- the switch uses a non-standard pinout. It's very easy to do though. The center wire stays in place, and the left and right swap. Alternatively, you could also just break off the latching tab, then plug the whole thing in backwards.

On my switch, I used these Sunon fans for replacement. They're not perfectly silent, but very quiet, which was good enough for me. I'm sure the Noctuas would be even quieter. In my case, I swapped both, but since this switch doesn't care if they're present at all, it should be possible to just swap one and disconnect the other -- just watch you're temps if you're running a heavy load.
 

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I need to make a clarification, the last version I have from Brocade of BNA that supports IP is 14.3.0. 14.4.0 is SAN only.
I am uploading 14.3 to a google drive location and will share it out when I have it uploaded.

I looked at the 14.2.12 version compared from Rukus to the 14.3 from Brocade. If your goal is to only manage IP, go with 14.2.12. It has some CVE fixes and supports a newer version of JRE. I'm going to spin it up on a test VM and see if I can install it and use my licenses on it directly on 2019 Server.
 
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Sundar

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You need to swap the wires with any fan replacement -- the switch uses a non-standard pinout. It's very easy to do though. The center wire stays in place, and the left and right swap. Alternatively, you could also just break off the latching tab, then plug the whole thing in backwards.

On my switch, I used these Sunon fans for replacement. They're not perfectly silent, but very quiet, which was good enough for me. I'm sure the Noctuas would be even quieter. In my case, I swapped both, but since this switch doesn't care if they're present at all, it should be possible to just swap one and disconnect the other -- just watch you're temps if you're running a heavy load.
Thanks, @NateS
 

richtj99

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The network in my home is suddenly very slow, especially when viewing the IP cameras. I used to use wireguard on my phone and can see all my ip cameras almost instantly, but now a few cameras come on and off and very sluggish. Plex also sluggish with nvidia shield. Intermittenly network connection also goes off. I have rebooted my switches but does not seem to make a difference.
I am not sure where to start troubleshooting. A dedicated PFsense router is connected to a ICX6450 48 POE switch, which is also connectedt o a unifi 16 POE switch. Half of my IP cams are in the unifi switch (which I intend to migrate to the ICX6450), and the other half in the ICX6450. 3 x R610 ruckus APs are connected to the ICX6450 , as is a single ruckus H510 as well.
The IP cameras in the ICX6450 are on vlan 80, whilst those in the unifi switch is on the main vlan 1 - in the process of being moved to vlan 80.

Any help appreciated. much thanks!
Im wondering if this has to do with the pfsense firewall & the speed of Vlan 1 talking to vlan 80? I notice with my firewall, even with port rules enabled for inter-vlan traffic, there is a speed difference in transferring files from vlan 20 (nas no internet access) to my main vlan (25 with internet). Some VM's on Vlan 20 get better transfer speeds within vlan 20.

I switched a bunch of things to 10G & it runs better but I noticed that with a ton of IP cameras, two NVRS (dont ask), that there was so much traffic on my 1gb switches that my 1gb Verizon FIOS connection was only getting 400 speeds. When I turned off my two NVR's the speeds went to the mid 900 range which is closer to what I would expect. Once the NVR's went back on speeds slowed the whole network down.

When I moved from Cisco 1gb to these 6450/7250 units & made sure the only inter switch connectivity was through the 10gb connections it has been great.

I do have a lag setup so I am at 30gb between switches except:

Verizon Fios ONT to Firewall (1gb) to Unifi switch (1gb fiber) to icx6450.

just some thoughts - not sure if this is helpful.
 

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Hi - I purchased a 7250-48p - first one came with no working serial port, seller sent a 'tested' replacement - serial does work, as soon as it boots up I get this error:


Code:
U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: Power being injected on port 1/1/33. No new PDs can get powered on this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.
I tried disabling POE on all ports, just port 33, etc. I am not sure what to do or if this is fixable.

I took a photo of the inside (attached).

Code:
ICX7250-48P Router# show inline power

Power Capacity:         Total is 740000 mWatts. Current Free is 740000 mWatts.

Power Allocations:      Requests Honored 48 times


 Port   Admin   Oper    ---Power(mWatts)---  PD Type  PD Class  Pri  Fault/
        State   State   Consumed  Allocated                          Error
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1/1/1 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/2 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/3 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/4 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/5 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/6 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/7 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/8 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/9 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/10 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/11 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/12 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/13 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/14 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/15 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/16 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/17 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/18 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/19 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/20 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/21 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/22 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/23 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/24 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/25 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/26 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/27 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/28 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/29 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/30 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/31 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/32 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/33 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  voltage applied from ext src
 1/1/34 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/35 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/36 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/37 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/38 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/39 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/40 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/41 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/42 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/43 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/44 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/45 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/46 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/47 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
 1/1/48 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Total                         0          0
I disable port 33 poe then plug two poe devices into other random ports with POE enabled.

Code:
ICX7250-48P Router# U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: PD on port 1/1/10 cannot be powered due to power being injected on another port of this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.

U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: PD on port 1/1/3 cannot be powered due to power being injected on another port of this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.
Sort of at a loss on what to try?

Any suggestions would be great.
 

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I recently purchased a ICX6450-24p. I have NTP set up, and it properly sets the clock not long after the unit is booted. However I noticed that during boot and shortly after boot, the clock is set to 1969. Not a biggie, but just curious if this is normal for this switch? I tested the battery (BR2032), and it looks good (2.83v).
 

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Im wondering if this has to do with the pfsense firewall & the speed of Vlan 1 talking to vlan 80? I notice with my firewall, even with port rules enabled for inter-vlan traffic, there is a speed difference in transferring files from vlan 20 (nas no internet access) to my main vlan (25 with internet). Some VM's on Vlan 20 get better transfer speeds within vlan 20.

I switched a bunch of things to 10G & it runs better but I noticed that with a ton of IP cameras, two NVRS (dont ask), that there was so much traffic on my 1gb switches that my 1gb Verizon FIOS connection was only getting 400 speeds. When I turned off my two NVR's the speeds went to the mid 900 range which is closer to what I would expect. Once the NVR's went back on speeds slowed the whole network down.

When I moved from Cisco 1gb to these 6450/7250 units & made sure the only inter switch connectivity was through the 10gb connections it has been great.

I do have a lag setup so I am at 30gb between switches except:

Verizon Fios ONT to Firewall (1gb) to Unifi switch (1gb fiber) to icx6450.

just some thoughts - not sure if this is helpful.
I do have another 6450 (non POE) and a unifi switch 16 XB Is it possible to use them to offset this loss in bandwidth from the POE cameras
? or is there some setting in pfsense that can mitigate this?
 

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Hi - I purchased a 7250-48p - first one came with no working serial port, seller sent a 'tested' replacement - serial does work, as soon as it boots up I get this error:


Code:
U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: Power being injected on port 1/1/33. No new PDs can get powered on this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.
I tried disabling POE on all ports, just port 33, etc. I am not sure what to do or if this is fixable.

I took a photo of the inside (attached).

Code:
ICX7250-48P Router# show inline power

Power Capacity:         Total is 740000 mWatts. Current Free is 740000 mWatts.

Power Allocations:      Requests Honored 48 times


Port   Admin   Oper    ---Power(mWatts)---  PD Type  PD Class  Pri  Fault/
        State   State   Consumed  Allocated                          Error
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1/1/1 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/2 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/3 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/4 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/5 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/6 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/7 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/8 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
  1/1/9 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/10 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/11 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/12 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/13 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/14 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/15 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/16 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/17 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/18 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/19 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/20 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/21 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/22 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/23 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/24 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/25 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/26 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/27 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/28 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/29 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/30 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/31 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/32 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/33 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  voltage applied from ext src
1/1/34 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/35 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/36 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/37 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/38 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/39 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/40 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/41 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/42 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/43 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/44 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/45 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/46 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/47 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
1/1/48 On      Off            0          0  n/a      n/a         3  n/a
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total                         0          0
I disable port 33 poe then plug two poe devices into other random ports with POE enabled.

Code:
ICX7250-48P Router# U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: PD on port 1/1/10 cannot be powered due to power being injected on another port of this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.

U1-MSG: PoE Severe Error: PD on port 1/1/3 cannot be powered due to power being injected on another port of this unit.Configure "no inline power" on all Switch to Switch connected ports of this unit and peer unit(s) to resolve the issue.
Sort of at a loss on what to try?

Any suggestions would be great.
yeah that poe board is fried, tell the seller he's a dingus
 
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I recently purchased a ICX6450-24p. I have NTP set up, and it properly sets the clock not long after the unit is booted. However I noticed that during boot and shortly after boot, the clock is set to 1969. Not a biggie, but just curious if this is normal for this switch? I tested the battery (BR2032), and it looks good (2.83v).
normal
 

richtj99

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I do have another 6450 (non POE) and a unifi switch 16 XB Is it possible to use them to offset this loss in bandwidth from the POE cameras
? or is there some setting in pfsense that can mitigate this?
What are the specs of your PFsense box? How is the CPU / Mem usage?

Unifi XG (10gb?) - What VMS/NVR for the cameas? If it is Blue Iris - what are the stream megabits?

Is it 1 vlan for you 1 vlan for cameras? I am happy to help where I can but switching to 10gb was pretty immediate for me. Again my vlans are all set with all cameras on the same camera vlan.

yeah that poe board is fried, tell the seller he's a dingus
Yeah I figured - bummer - can I safely use it as a non-poe unit? I can make an offer on it vs making him pay for shipping again. Then again I am not sure if a 7250-48p with POE disabled will use more electric than its worth. I want to make sure the rest of the switch isnt going to blow up. can I take the POE part of the board out or swap it?
 

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What are the specs of your PFsense box? How is the CPU / Mem usage?

Unifi XG (10gb?) - What VMS/NVR for the cameas? If it is Blue Iris - what are the stream megabits?

Is it 1 vlan for you 1 vlan for cameras? I am happy to help where I can but switching to 10gb was pretty immediate for me. Again my vlans are all set with all cameras on the same camera vlan.


My pfsense is an i3 4xxxT CPU with 16GB, on an supermicro X10SLV motherboard
Yes, the Unifi 16XG has SFP+ ports and 4 10 GB RJ45 ports. I do have blue iris, but I yet to connec yet and trying to figure out the network bog down. The blue iris PC is a dedicated 1151 motherboard on a 1GB connection.

My cameras are on vlan 80. I have a different vlan for IOT devices. All other devices are on my main LAN
 

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What for a icx7250, what is the logic level of miniusb/uart? rs232/TTL(1.8V)/TTL(3.3V)/TTL(5V)/other? Thanks!
 

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What are the specs of your PFsense box? How is the CPU / Mem usage?

Unifi XG (10gb?) - What VMS/NVR for the cameas? If it is Blue Iris - what are the stream megabits?

Is it 1 vlan for you 1 vlan for cameras? I am happy to help where I can but switching to 10gb was pretty immediate for me. Again my vlans are all set with all cameras on the same camera vlan.



Yeah I figured - bummer - can I safely use it as a non-poe unit? I can make an offer on it vs making him pay for shipping again. Then again I am not sure if a 7250-48p with POE disabled will use more electric than its worth. I want to make sure the rest of the switch isnt going to blow up. can I take the POE part of the board out or swap it?
PoE units don't really use anymore power than their non-PoE counterparts unless you're actively powering PoE devices. You can also just remove the entire PoE daughterboard, it's the one on top
 

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That all sounds good to me. Is the SFP+ port plugged into the 6450? I dont think you need it but can you pop a 10gb sfp+ card into the PFSsense box going to the Unifi?

I have close to 50 cameras on my network all on 1 vlan & am not seeing a slowdown.

I dont use PFsense anymore but it did have good reporting broken out on lan/vlan (wan too) - what activity level is it showing?

Is the 6450 set for auto speed?

show int brief?

to confirm the slowdown is on the Lan vlan?

My pfsense is an i3 4xxxT CPU with 16GB, on an supermicro X10SLV motherboard
Yes, the Unifi 16XG has SFP+ ports and 4 10 GB RJ45 ports. I do have blue iris, but I yet to connec yet and trying to figure out the network bog down. The blue iris PC is a dedicated 1151 motherboard on a 1GB connection.

My cameras are on vlan 80. I have a different vlan for IOT devices. All other devices are on my main LAN
 

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Anyone else got authentication issues via ssh on ICX6610 switches when key-authentication is enabled?

Debug session says:
Code:
....
debug1: Offering public key: /home/robin/.ssh/id_rsa.pub RSA SHA256:GKW7yzA1J1qkr1Cr9MhUwAbHbF2NrIPEgZXeOUOz3Us explicit
debug3: send packet: type 50
debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
debug3: receive packet: type 60
debug1: no key from blob. pkalg ssh-rsa: invalid format
ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection to 10.10.2.50 port 22: invalid format
When I add ip ssh key-authentication no, it works fine...

SW version is 8030t, my SSH key is 4096 bits long

I have not setup the pub-key-file on the switch itself, however I wouldn't expect to see weird issues even if it should be set up