Yep, and ssd prices also continue to fall so I think the pressure will stay on for traditional hard drives to stay bigger than ssds and relatively cheap in order to still be relevant.Nice. Prices are coming down nicely.
Yep, and ssd prices also continue to fall so I think the pressure will stay on for traditional hard drives to stay bigger than ssds and relatively cheap in order to still be relevant.Nice. Prices are coming down nicely.
It's a question man.. Why mad?Gotta love the ignorance of some people. "How dare you buy a drive I have no idea of what it is for" If they knew how to use the interwebs they could easily google what are these high tb drives for.
And it's actually a pretty common question. When someone is getting 10x 12TB drives, one wonders what the use case is.It's a question man.. Why mad?
You're welcome! It's about as much as you can get packed into that size so I thought it was pretty neat--especially at the price.Thanks for the tip @Samir
It's interesting for me as a portable storage, independent of whether it's shuckable or not.
the 5tb 2.5” your referring to ? Very likely.Reading some posts on /r/DataHoarder that these might be SMR drives?
The 12TB. They're still solving the mystery of the unknown model number.the 5tb 2.5” your referring to ? Very likely.
The 12tb 3.5” not likely I don’t think.
I'm not buying any - yet... maybe Christmas sale.What do you guys think - 4x12TB in mirror pairs or 5x8TB / 6x6TB in double parity?
Those look identical to the 14TB 7200rpm WDC drives I got a while back which were helium. The giveaway on the helium is the silver sticker in the reddit picture. I'm not sure if helium and smr are used together though.The 12TB. They're still solving the mystery of the unknown model number.
I'm not buying any - yet... maybe Christmas sale.
But I'll happily play along.
4x8 or 6x6 is probably the safest Raid6/Z2 for media sure.
any kind of performance probably the mirrored pair but such a small number of large drives. If you are going to have a double failure the % is higher than I'd like to gamble losing the array.
Even for media some kind of backup is key. I'd hate to think about the time investment to re-rip my dvd's and blu-rays.
I'm more interested in 16x12... say two 8x12 Z2 vdevs. that would probably be my happy place... Be really happy if they were 12TB SAS3 at that price too.
Yes well said @Evan. @Samir All 2.5" format WD external drives I'm aware of as of a few years back going forward have a USB only interface, so the USB port is actually integrated into the controller board on the drive itself. This is mainly why the WD 2.5" externals are "smaller" than the competition, e.g. Seagate. My dad does a lot of photography to stay active while retired, and he would buy the WD 2.5" Passport drives (the equivalent of these Easystore Portables) by the fistful. Inevitably they'd die and it was basically impossible for me to recover the data. I nudged him towards using the off-the-shelf NAS I bought him and he's been fine since then.Anyway it been years since WD have used the removable bridge and went direct USB on the drive board on 2.5” drive so I assume that’s no good for shucking unlike seagate that do. But if anybody wants to check
I just worry about 2 drives same batch failing same time. I'd say exercise the @#$@#$ out of them. Use @BLinux 's drive burn in script thingie if you don't have your own.
I picked mirror for the 12TBs not for performance but for faster rebuilds. Also thinking about future pool expansion as well since I'm not intending on buying a whole bunch of 12TBs at one go and expanding in double drives seems like the smarter way. What do you think of 4x12TBs in Z2?
Have SAS drives ever gone on sale?
Reading the thread about them figuring out which drive it is is kinda hilarious. Weighing the drives
Is the WD120EMFZ (12TB Easystore) a firmware-locked 14TB drive? Evidence and theory inside. : DataHoarder
Living on the edge right here!How do you back it all up ? Or like me you don’t backup everything only the important stuff.
When I say don’t backup, still have a 2nd copy on disk like you, I meant real off site backup.Living on the edge right here!
that is exactly my plan for my backup AIO. its all onsite maybe someday I'll look at pushing it up. small steps. If a fire or flood or tornado destroys my house down I think I'm going to worry about other things first. that said my kit is insured. All hobbies end up being expensive when you take them to an extreme. I can afford two and kinda have three so I'm kinda sorta screwed.Living on the edge right here!
There's also quite a few data hoarders who use old gear (e.g. Xeon v1/v2 with old smaller capacity disks) for their backup NAS, and only remotely turn it on to run the backup, then it's off again. In any case, this hobby ends up being quite expensive to maintain eventually
I completely understand you there @Evan. I also mostly stream music/video nowadays, but as we are well aware stuff regularly gets discontinued/removed from the streaming services due to licensing issues. Hoarding high quality rips of media is just a compulsion I've had since the late 90s; always need some type of hobby to keep one's self out of trouble, that's what I told my neighbor the other day to tell his SO who is PO'd about his compulsion to buy beater cars to fix up, hah.When I say don’t backup, still have a 2nd copy on disk like you, I meant real off site backup.
Was tempted to drop a small box maybe even just a Synology or something at my parents place.
End of the day while it may take time to get the lost bulk data back it’s like impacting if I didn’t have it and it’s always questionable if I need all of it anyway. I steam most media these days so stopped keeping terrabyes of movies and TV, just done stuff I can’t stream or may re-watch.
I'd go with mirrored pairs any day, especially if not striped so each drive is basically part of a jbod mirrored pair.What do you guys think - 4x12TB in mirror pairs or 5x8TB / 6x6TB in double parity?